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  Another 12 yr old df in cong 13 people df in 3 yrs

  by poopie in

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  Lee Elder

  Keep asking questions like that and you may have a future sitting on judicial committees. :-)
  
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  Another 12 yr old df in cong 13 people df in 3 yrs

  by poopie in

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  Lee Elder

  My wife wad disassociated when she was ten years old - no joke. That's back when unbaptized ones (DA) were to be treated the same as disfellowshipped ones. Now try and reconcile that with Watchtower's argument to the European Commission on Human Rights that minors can't become JW's. If you are baptized, you can be DF'd period. I was baptized at nine, as was my brother. Is it child abuse? Depends on your definition, and the rules the Watchtower attaches to it, but in my view, the answer is yes.
  
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  Had a operation today and was asked about blood transfusions.

  by atomant in

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  operation was successful only minor but some interesting information was revealed to me from the surgeon.l requested that they treat me as if l was a jehovahs witness with regards to blood transfusions.the doctor said well that varies from jw to jw and l asked what do you mean?his response was that in his dealings with jw's was that approx half of witnesses will accept a blood transfusion in life threatening circumstances and sign a form saying so.l was blown away when he told me this.l was curious if others in here have heard similar storys.lt seems to me that many witnesses have weakened their stance on this controversial subject.

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  Many of the physicians I have spoke with have had the experience of JW's, particularly those in their late teens or twenties, agreeing to accept some or all of the remaining banned blood products.
  
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  Left Bethel to get married and have children, found the TTATT instead

  by jehobi in

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  long story, short story.

  grew up on a farm, went to bethel, married a sister and left bethel.

  found ttatt after my cousin died refusing a blood transfusion.

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  I would like to learn more about your cousin is possible. We are trying to track the deaths that can be attributed to the blood policy as best we can.

  http://ajwrb.org/watchtower-blood-map
  
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  Bloodless Medicine....not all its cracked up to be.

  by Lee Elder in

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  this is a pretty good example of the limitations of "bloodless medicine", and why the informed choice should always be "blood conservation" medicine, which retains the safety net of blood transfusion when medically required.

  sadly, the watchtower fails to inform jws regarding these important limitations, and their potentially disastrous consequences.. http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=1202750028414/jury-awards-100k-to-family-of-jehovahs-witness-who-died-after-refusing-blood-transfusion?mcode=0&curindex=0&curpage=3&slreturn=20160118223352.

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  This is a pretty good example of the limitations of "bloodless medicine", and why the informed choice should always be "blood conservation" medicine, which retains the safety net of blood transfusion when medically required. Sadly, the Watchtower fails to inform JWs regarding these important limitations, and their potentially disastrous consequences.

  http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=1202750028414/Jury-Awards-100K-to-Family-of-Jehovahs-Witness-Who-Died-After-Refusing-Blood-Transfusion?mcode=0&curindex=0&curpage=3&slreturn=20160118223352
  
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  Interlinear bible removed from the JW app?

  by nmthinker in

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  my iphone doesn't have the interlinear bible anymore, the one with the greek and translated english together.

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  did they remove it?

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  I am surprised if its still available. Very useful in figuring out TTATT.
  
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  Do Witness children die from not taking blood?

  by juandefiero in

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  yes - awake!

  1994 may 22 p.2 youths who put god first (3-15).

  "in former times thousands of youths died for putting god first.

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  Up until AJWRB came on the scene in 1997/1998, the organization saw the martyrdom of children as just another proof of Jehovah's blessing and the great faith of its members. They have been clubbed over the head enough times in the past 18 years in the press and medical journals that they no longer see it that way. More clubbing to come.
  
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  New here

  by MarkofCane in

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  hello and thanks to everyone for participating on this forum it has really been of much value, for those of you that post here know that your words are not lost you never know who is reading your expressions, lives are being changed and nonsense challenged.

  i’m not much of a writer so excuse my untrained writing style and grammar but i want to share my story to help anyone who is visiting here to see that we are real people, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters who have come here for answers, there is no agenda, just searching for truth.

  i hope my story will help others as so many here have helped me..

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  Lee Elder

  Welcome and thank you for sharing your story. Know that there is life after the Watchtower, and that it can be good. Most of us have been where you are. We get it.
  
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  Any former elders brains I could pick?

  by BarelyThere in

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  i posted in another topic a few hours ago.

  it is my first time on here or any website like this, ever.

  i was dfed back in september for adultery.

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  Lee Elder

  Dynamics of your congregation and its "elders" are the key. Under the right circumstances six months is possible if it wasn't too scandalous. Other factors might be:

  Does your ex continue to attend this hall? If so, expect it might take longer.

  Are you generally liked or disliked by the congregation, and especially the elders on your judicial committee?

  Some elders are suspicious about DF ones who immediately begin attending all of the meetings. Almost like they should be too ashamed to show their faces. Sometimes it seems to work better if you take a little break, and then start coming back. Particularly if your situation was well known and generated a lot of talk/scandal.
  
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  Where does the money come from to operate the Hospital Information network?

  by OrphanCrow in

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  the recent buzz that has hit the online communities concerning the watchtower society and their evil offspring - the jw org - revolves around their apparent financial difficulties.

  many factors have been discussed - the real estate flips (and flops), the changes in meetings and field service, the need for donations to cover expenses, the push for donations.

  where does the money come from to operate the hospital information network?

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  Lee Elder

  The WTS has already published what amounts to counsel for JW medical professionals to violate HIPPA. Good discussion of this is Dr. Muramoto's articles in the Journal of Medical Ethics?

  ORPHAN CROW: You are welcome to submit an article to AJWRB on your topic. We would be happy to have a look.